Harry Potter, heir of Gryffindor.




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Submitted by Danilo Stern-Sapad on April 13, 2005 - 3:53pm.

Harry Potter, heir of Gryffindor.

Still not convinced that Harry Potter is the heir of Gryffindor? Or are you telling me the thought has not even crossed your mind? Here are the facts and theories, which suggest that he is in fact a blood relative of Godric Gryffindor.

Reginald describes Godric:
Godric is perhaps best remembered for his kindness toward animals, and many stories recall his protection of the creatures who lived near his forest home. According to one of these, he hid a stag from pursuing hunters; according to another, he even allowed snakes to warm themselves by his fire.

Source: Reginald of Durham, "Life of St. Godric," in G. G. Coulton, ed. Social Life in Britain from the Conquest to the Reformation, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1918.

Speculation:
Look at those green eyes!!! Harry has green eyes, but from his mothers side… Could he be a mix of Slytherin and Gryffindor blood or all four houses or is Rowling just trying to mislead us, tricking us into thinking his mother is related to Voldemort?

Godric has a certain connection to stags! James’ animagus takes the form of a stag, and so does Harry’s patronous charm!

Look, does that sound like foreshadowing to you, “he even allowed snakes to warm themselves by his fire”. Could Godric have been kind to Salazar even though he knew that he was a danger? Could Harry show this same kindness to Draco or another Slytherin?

Proofs:
Harry Potter’s parents lived and died in Godric’s Hollow, why would James’ ancestral (this is assuming of course that James inherited the house from his parents/grandparents) home be called Godric’s Hollow, perhaps they are related?
In "Chamber of Secrets," after Harry pulls the sword of Godric Gryffindor from the Sorting Hat, Dumbledore tells him, "Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that sword from the hat." Take note of the word TRUE, what if we were to take the comment literally, would it not make sense that the heir of Gryffindor should go head to head with the heir of Slytherin? The two Hogwarts founders were archenemies after all. Again, why did Harry out of all people pull Godric Gryffindor’s sword out of the hat. It is reasonable to assume that Godric had certain abilities to lets say predict the future. Well what if he or a diviner (one of Trewlayney’s ancestors) foresaw Voldemort’s coming as the heir of Slytherin and also foresaw one to combat him, wouldn’t Godric leave certain powerful possessions behind to aid this heir? Perhaps he even knew about the Chamber of Secrets and that Harry would encounter a Basilisk and would be unable to defeat with a wand? Also Fawkes the Phoenix could have been instructed to take the sorting hat to the heir of Gryffindor when he needed access to the sword, didn’t the founders of Hogwarts create the hat, and isn’t it quite possible for an immortal Phoenix to have once been Godric’s pet? Is Dumbledore related to Harry? He seems to be quite the Gryffindor as well; we already know that he loves Harry. Also could Godric Gryffindor be the half-blood prince? We no very little about his life, the same goes for Dumbledore (or has Rowling already stated that he isn’t the HBP?). Both extraordinary wizards, I don’t think Rowling would make name her book after a minor or unknown character.

From Harry Potter Facts (the above is sort of a summary of what I think or agree with from HPF):
In "Sorcerer's Stone," Voldemort indicates to Harry that, when he attacked the Potter family, he wanted to kill James and Harry--but did NOT wish to kill Lily Potter.In the Mirror of Erised's chamber, Voldemort tells Harry, "I killed your father first. He put up a courageous fight. But your mother needn't have died--she was trying to protect you."Why would Voldemort, who kills wizards without a thought, come after James and Harry Potter, but not Lily? Well, here we have to do a bit of speculation.We all know that Voldemort has a specific reason, as yet unrevealed, for wanting Harry Potter dead. When he is recovering in the hospital wing in "Sorcerer's Stone," Harry asks Dumbledore, "Voldemort said he only killed my mother because she tried to stop him from killing me. But why would he want to kill me in the first place?"Dumbledore answers, "Alas, the first thing you ask me, I cannot tell you. Not today. Not now. You will know one day. Put it from your mind for now, Harry. When you are older--I know you hate to hear this--when you are ready, you will know."In "Goblet of Fire," Voldemort tells his followers, "You all know my goal--to conquer death." Perhaps there was something in the Potter family that made Voldemort think that Harry Potter would someday be a threat to him.Imagine, if you will, that Voldemort discovered an ancient prophecy stating that an Heir of Gryffindor would someday rise up to destroy the Heir of Slytherin. Imagine further that when Harry Potter was born, something told Voldemort that this baby boy was the trueGryffindor heir. (Maybe a star appeared in the east over Godric's Hollow.)So Voldemort goes after the Potter family. He kills James first--so a new Gryffindor heir cannot be sired--and then goes after baby Harry. He has no reason to kill Lily Potter--BECAUSE SHE IS MUGGLE-BORN AND NOT OF THE GRYFFINDOR LINE, AND THEREFORE NO THREAT TO HIM. But he kills her when she refuses to give up her son. We know the rest. Lily's sacrifice insulates Harry against the Dark Lord's magic, and Voldemort loses his powers and his body.So what does this mean for our hero, Harry Potter, in future books in this series? Again, let's speculate a bit here:Assuming that Harry IS the Heir of Gryffindor, he's going to discover that fact at some point. And that will probably lead him into an investigation of his own family history. This investigation will probably lead him to discover some ancient magic or artifacts, leftbehind by Godric Gryffindor to help his heir. We know that Salazar Slytherin left behind the Chamber of Secrets, with the basilisk inside, to help the Heir of Slytherin continue his campaign to drive "Mudbloods" from the school. This assumes that Salazar Slytherin KNEW--a thousand years before the fact--that there would BE a future Heir of Slytherin to carry on his work. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that Godric Gryffindor could also predict the future, and left behind magic and artifacts at Hogwarts to help HIS eventual heir.One artifact which Harry has already found is the Sword of Gryffindor. Perhaps Godric Gryffindor foresaw that his heir would eventually discover the basilisk that Salazar Slytherin had hidden in the Chamber of Secrets, and left the sword inside the Sorting Hat for his heir to find when he needed it. (What the heck would a sorcerer like GodricGryffindor need with a SWORD anyway? Wouldn't a wizard that powerful do most of his fighting with his magic wand?)Another possible "artifact" that Harry has already discovered is Fawkes the Phoenix. Phoenixes are basically immortal, continually dying in flames and rising from their own ashes. It's possible that Fawkes is thousands of years old, and may have once been the pet bird of Godric Gryffindor. (I won't get into the question here of which came first, the phoenix or the egg. I don't like writing long drawn-out tiresome debates over trivial subjects.)In "Chamber of Secrets," it is Fawkes who brings Harry the Sorting Hat with the sword of Godric Gryffindor inside it. But how did Fawkes himself know that the sword was inside the hat, or that Harry Potter could pull the Gryffindor sword from the hat? It's possible that Godric Gryffindor told Fawkes about the sword in the hat, and instructed the bird to deliver it to his eventual heir.As we discovered in "Goblet of Fire," Harry's wand will not work properly against Voldemort's wand, since both wands contain a feather from Fawkes the phoenix. So it's reasonable to assume that, in future books, Harry will be searching for new ways to take down the Dark Lord. Now, what if Harry should come across an ancient text describing the final battle between Salazar Slytherin and Harry's ancestor, Godric Gryffindor. And what if Harry discovered that Godric Gryffindor defeated Salazar Slytherin using something called, oh, say, the Green Flame Torch (the reputed title for Book Six). Perhaps this will lead Harry into a search to rediscover the long-lost ancient magic of the Green Flame Torch, a torch which will enable Harry to finally destroy Lord Voldemort.• Now, here's the kicker! What if Harry Potter is a true Heir of Gryffindor, BUT NOT THE SOLE SURVIVING HEIR OF THE GRYFFINDOR LINE?!It's possible that Voldemort knew, from an ancient prophecy, that a descendent of Gryffindor would be his downfall, but that he didn't know it would be Harry Potter. In "Sorcerer's Stone," Hagrid tells Harry that Voldemort killed some of the best wizards of the day--"the McKinnons, the Bones, the Prewitts." What if Voldemort, in additionto consolidating his powers, was killing off these wizard families because they were related to Godric Gryffindor?If Voldemort was only halfway down his list of Gryffindor descendents when he came to eliminate the Potter family, he might have left alive some Gryffindor descendents that he never got the chance to kill. Maybe Harry and James Potter were not the last of the Gryffindor family line. If so, maybe Harry will discover that he is distantly-related to some of the surviving wizard families. He could discover that some of his classmates at Hogwarts are actually his distant cousins. Perhaps Harry will find that he is distantly-related to the Weasleys, or even the Longbottoms. Or a new First Year student could come to Hogwarts, and Harry could discover that this young wizard is a distant relation.Whatever happens, lets hope we don't have Dumbledore telling Harry, "I'm sorry to have kept this secret from you for so long, but Hermione Granger is your long-lost sister."One final thought on this matter: If I'm right, and Harry is the true heir of Godric Gryffindor, does this mean that Harry is really "the son of Godric?" (R.S. Lindsay)
Or could Harry be an heir of Hogwarts? A descendant of all 4 of the main founders.
• Maybe that's why Voldemort's was so intent on killing Harry. And possibly Dumbledoremay also be a heir of Hogwarts, and that's why Voldemort was afraid of him, and not wanting another Dumbledore he went out to destroy the baby Harry, believing the child had no defense against him. That could be why Dumbledore has actually helped Harry through many of his adventures. He gives him only little nudges here and there, it could be seen as trying to get Harry to become the better wizard. (Erich) James Potter could be considered as bloodline from the Gryffindor origine and Lilly from Slytherin side. Counter argument could be made that Lilly is muggle born and couldn't be a suspected Slytherin heir. Well from different books and things on witches and magic, and even in the Harry Potter books, Magic doesn't follow rules. Sometime magic can skip generations. Sometimes wizard and witches are born into what seem to be Muggle families. And the sometimes children of wizard and witches have children of no ability of magic (Squib). (COS) And there is also the fact that witches and wizards live for so long....How many different families do they accumulate in one lifetime? Like in Voldemort's case how many witches and wizards lost their spouses once the fact was out about what they truly are. And how many wizard and witches lost their spouses to death or divorce (if they do that, which they probaby do.) Okay now back to the point what if Lilly is a descendant of one of Slytherin's children who was a squib who married a muggle? (Erich)
• Another thing to wonder about is the reason why Harry can speak Parseltongue, was it simply passed on him by his encounter with Voldemort or is there more to it?
• So it's obvious thus far in the books that, to put it simply, cats are good and snakes are evil. Consider even the fact that Gryffindors are lions (cats) and Slytherins are snakes. But here's an interesting biological theory...Scientists have noticed that cats seem to imitate snakes as a defence mechanism. Cats hiss and spit when they are afraid and angry because most animals have an instinctive fear of snakes, so the intent is to make predators think the cat is in fact a venomous snake. Also, a tabby cat curled up and twitching its tail greatly resembles a snake in the same position. The idea here is to make predators think, again, that the cat is a venomous snake and not attack it.Now consider the fact that Harry can make snake sounds and looks like Tom Riddle, last descendant of Slytherin. Harry bears the same resemblances to Voldemort that cats bear to snakes. So maybe Harry isn't related to Voldemort as part of some huge conspiracy theory. Maybe he's just imitating a snake, the way a true cat (or Gryffindor lion) should.. (Laura)

A lot to contemplate I know, good luck with this one. I already have come to my own conclusion that Harry must at the very least be related to Godric Gryffindor. winking

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April 13, 2005 - 3:56pm

A Summation of Clues (taken from Harry Potter Facts):
• The history in timeAssuming year 1 happens in 1997, the various characters are born in year:1850 - Dumbledore1920 - McGonagall1930 - Tom Riddle1960 - Snape, James Potter, Lupin, Pettigrew, Black, Lilly Evans1982 - Percy 1984 - Fred & George1986 - Harry Potter, Ron, Hermione… 1987 - Ginny • Harry is descendant (heir?) of Godric GryffindorThis is a common theory that holds: He happens to have been sorted in gryffindor, although the Sorting Hat wanted to put him in Slytherin. This is because Harry chose to be gryffindor, but this is also an indication that Harry has a very strong gryffindor value: Voldemort, being the heir of slytherin has transmitted parts of his power to Harry. This inheritance must be powerful since he gets it from the HEIR of slytherin and not just any slytherin, and we know Voldermort is very powerful. But still, the Gryffindor inheritance is stronger. So clue 1: The gryffindor heritance is VERY strongSecond, as everybody knows, the Potters also lived in Godric Hollow, which seems to indicate a possible Gryffindor family line. James Potter was gryffindor too, he has been Head Boy, he was very close to Dumbledore (gryffindor as well). Clue 2: In the family history, gryffindor appears a lot.Third: Harry was able to get Fawkes and pull the sword of Godric Gryffindor out of the Hat. Dumbledore says that "only a true Gryffindor would be able to do that". And here we have Fawkes! Fawkes is scarlet and gold, (colours of Gryffindor) and can live forever (he is reborn from his ashes). This leads me to think that fawkes once belonged to Godric Gryffindor, and is passed along in the family line. Immediate objection: He presently belongs to Dumbledore?? I think he used to belong to James Potter, but like his other precious belonging (the invisibility cloak), James left it to Dumbledore to pass it over to Harry in due time. Another hint in this direction: Joan Rowling said in an interview that "Harry might have another pet in the future."Clue 3: Harry has the markings of a TRUE gryffindorClue 3.5 (accept it or not): Harry will inherit a personal pet from Godric GryffindorThat all toghether makes it likely that Harry is a descendant of Godric Gryffindor. • The power in the Family LineFrom the biography (!) of Voldermort, we can infer that some powers are possible to transmit to the offspring. Indeed, it appears that Slytherin had a very rare gift (very rare means it's not very likely you get it by chance), being parseltongue. Since it is rare, and voldermort is descendant of slytherin, it is possible (or sure, speak about probabilities..) that Voldermort inherited this gift through his family line. This means that powers can be transmitted to children. The next step is to wonder what particular power the Gryffindor family line can have, and which nice gift Harry has, even if he hasn't found out yet! This means, Harry probably has a rare particular gift he hasn't found out about yet.• The transmission of powers between wizards From the bio of Voldemort again, and comparing it to the bio of Harry, it seems possible that when a wizard kills another one he gets the power(s) of his victim. Why would that be? Well, we know (from Dumbledore) that Voldemort transferred SOME of his powers into Harry the night he tried to kill him. I think it is possible the transferred occurred because Harry merely killed Voldemort. We know that the socrifice of his mother protected him from the Avada Kedavra curse, and thanks to that protection, the curse rebonded on Voldemort. Voldemort was then as good as dead, and only escaped death thanks to the many protection he built himself against it. And then, being nearly killed by Harry, his powers were transferred into Harry. (kind of "Highlander")When a wizard kills another wizard, the killer gets the power of his victim.• James Potter found a way to delay his deathWhen Voldermort went to Godric Hollow to attack the Potters, James stayed in his way while shouting at Lilly to run for it while he was retaining Voldemort. Then, Harry "heard a rumbling sound from a neighbouring room", and Voldemort came to kill him. Lilly plaiding for Harry'slife, Voldermort killed her first before he attempted to kill Harry. After having put an end to Lilly he tried to kill Harry and failed, being nearly killed himself. (Besides, that's how it's shown in movie 1)On the other hand, when approached by dementors, Harry never hears his father fighting Voldemort, as it should be if he was killed after Lilly. Indeed, it's very unlikely that Voldermort killed Lilly in the same room as Harry was, went to another room to kill James first and then came back to finish off Harry. So, Voldemort put the Avada kedavra curse on the Potters in this order: 1 James, 2 Lilly, 3 Harry.• But then, when Voldemort and Harry face one another in book 4, James comes out of the wand before Lilly. This means, James died after Lilly.And another nice hint, when Dumbledore returns the invisibility cloak to Harry, he says in his note "your father left this in my possession before he died". Here we have two possibilities, either James gave t to Dumbledore long before hand, but I doubt it, because you can make use of an invisibility cloak when you need to hide from somebody; or He somehow managed before his death to make clear to Dumbledore that he(James) wanted him (Dumbledore) to take care of Harry. At the same time, he would have informed Dumbledore about his invisibility cloak, and Fawkes. James didn't die at the moment when Voldemort put the Avada Kedavra curse on him.• The mysterious Gryffindor power is related to death/lifeThe thing is, there is no counter-curse to the Avada Kedavra curse, as Moody kindly told us in book 4. So James must have a special availability to be able to delay his death a little such as to fix his "testimony". Why wouldn't it be related to the Gryffindor power? If we agree James is descendant of Gryffindor and has the Gryffindor power (as well as Voldermort has the slytherin power, being a parseltongue), he might have an uncommon power, which helps him delay, or at least fight his own death. The Gryffindor gift is to delay/fight death.• Why does this hold toghether? Voldermort wants to kill James and Harry Potter to conquer their share of the Gryffindor Power. If this power is indeed intended to put a stopper to death, than it fits along with his wish to get to immortality. By the very act of killing the Potters, he gains their power and makes another step toward immortality. This would be a reason why he didn't have to kill Lilly: she is not a Gryffindor descendant, so she doesn't have the Gryffindor Gift, and Voldemort doesn't gain anything in killing her. (Paloma)
• No, James came after... in just the right order... ...Lily even said something like "Hold on, he's coming"... referring to James of course..... however, there was NOTHING that came out of the want to indicate a Voldemort/Baby Harry struggle years ago..... neither came out, nor did any indication (as did happen with the silver hand)....(Karen)
• it says that the sorting hat belonged to godric griffinder, as did fawkes the phoenix. so what if harry is meant to be in slytherin, but was put in griffindor because the sorting hat (aka godric griffindor) wanted him on 'their side'? this would explain harry speaking parseltounge, and the resembelance to Riddle.When harry pulls the sword out of the sorting hat, dumbledore says that only a 'true griffindor' could have done that. well what if the whole thing was set up to get harry into thinking that voldermort is bad?And what if harry wasn't truly meant to be in griffindor? The sorting hat was godric griffindors, and people say that fawkes may of been aswell. what if godric enchanted the sorting hat, so when slytherins heir came along, it would put them in griffindor, meaning that they would have a very great wizard 'on their side'.also, dumbledore is always explaining everything to harry. maybe this is because he's afraid that if he didn't, harry would work out the truth- that he was heir of slytherin.this would also exlain the similarity to tom riddle, and harrys ability to speak parseltounge.Maybe, in the future, harry is going to find out the truth, and will feel betrayed, but in the end will decide to stay with griffindors side. this will make their side stronger, as slythering heir will be fighting against their own house.(Ali Hewson)
• I just wanted to throw in a couple speculations to the "Is Harry the heir of Godric Griffindor" question. I draw my facts and theories from the legend of St. Godric, because as we all know, a lot of JK Rowling's characters have basis in various myths and legends from around the world (example: Argus Filch--Argus was a Greek monster that had a hundred eyes and was constantly on guard, watching for any suspicious activity.) Legend says that St. Godric was far from saintly in the beginning--he was a man who drank, fought and lusted far more than he should have. But somehow, he experienced a change of heart and became a godly man, and lived as a hermit in the woods. St. Godric was known for his kindness and familiarity with wild animals, particularly the stag; he was also known for the gift of prophecy, specifically described as the ablity to know of events that were taking place hundreds of miles away. So, how does this apply to Harry? My first, and strongest, arguement is the gift of prophecy. There have been many times in the HP books where Harry was able to know of Voldemort's actions, even though the two are many hundreds of miles apart. Secondly, St. Godric, Harry, and James are all connected quite strongly to the stag. James' Animangus form is that of the stag--why would Rowling pick this particular animal out of the millions of possibilities to represent James Potter? I think it's a bit too much of a coincidence for James and St. Godric to be connected through this symbol. On top of that, Harry's Patronus Charm (which literally means "patron saint") also takes the form of a stag. And finally, legend states that St. Godric was haunted throughout his life by demons that took various shapes and forms. This is stretching it a bit, but doesn't that sound like boggarts to you? A demon that is able to change its shape? Harry's boggart takes the form of a dementor and as we all know, he gets quite a lot of trouble from dementors, particularly near the end of the third book. Interestingly enough, what is it that saves Harry and the gang from hundreds of dementors in that book? Harry's "patron saint." (XXX)

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April 13, 2005 - 4:41pm

Wow. That was long.

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April 14, 2005 - 8:44am

Yeah, I think it will be difficult for anyone to argue that Harry Potter is NOT the heir of Gryffindor. I mean look at all the clues/connections. Anyway, last night I remebered that the Golden Snitch was invented in Godric's Hollow, Harry seems to have a strong connection to his home (Hint: best Seeker ever!). big grin

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April 17, 2005 - 12:59pm

ha....now that made me think.....in the end it would be likely that harry is the heir of gryffindor....but i feel like theres something we don't know that makes harry not likely to be the heir....ah this is gonna drive me insane for a couple days..... or maybe theres some connection between slytherin and gryffindor like it was said in the article......hmmmm Happy

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April 18, 2005 - 8:37am

Yeah I think it is quite possible that maybe somewhere along Harry's family line a Slytherin and Gryffindor got married. Or there is also the possibility that he has blood from all houses. We do not know enough as of now to be certain of his relation to Godric Gryffindor, but I do believe there is strong evidence that leads to this conclusion. winking

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March 9, 2006 - 4:16am

Must Harry be a gryfinndor heir?Can't it be Draco?
I'm only doing that to try and get people go insane.
I totally believe it's Dumbledore.

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March 9, 2006 - 9:55pm

Rowling shut down this theory, I can't find where she said it though. It was my favorite theory too! tongue

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March 10, 2006 - 6:40am

I believe that Harry has Slytherin and Gryffindor blood in him, like when he put on the sorting hat it was deciding between the two and not the four houses.

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March 11, 2006 - 1:07am

Actually, it says that he doesn't have a bad mind, Ravenclaw? winking

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March 11, 2006 - 4:48am

Maybe he meant not a bad mind in the sense that it is not evil but good.

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September 28, 2006 - 9:07am

Harry has to be the heir. the proofs are:

* When he tries out his wand in Ollivanders (Book I), red and gold sparks shoot out of it. Red and gold are the colors of Gryffindor House.
* McGonagall mentions in the prologue to Book I that Harry's parents lived in Godric's Hollow.
* In The Chamber of Secrets, after Harry pulls Godric Gryffindor's sword out of the sorting hat, Dumbledore tells him that, "Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled it out" Could this have a deeper meaning?
* Harry was born on July 31st. Under the Zodiac calendar, this would mean his sign is Leo (the lion, which is also the Gryffindor mascot!)
* The gems on Godric's sword (see CoS)were red. Could it be possible that they were RUBIES, the birthstone of July? (and Harry was born on July)
* The Sorting hat couldn't make up its mind on where to put Harry. It sensed Gryffindor blood in him, but since Voldemort tried to kill Harry, a part of Voldemort went into Harry. So the Sorting Hat sensed both Gryffindor blood and Slytherin blood (kind of) in him.

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September 28, 2006 - 6:01pm

Sorry, despite all our speculations and evidences leading to this conclusion Rowling has also denied any blood relation between Harry and Godric...

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March 5, 2007 - 5:57pm

but if he's related to the weasleys he can't have genny

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April 3, 2007 - 10:45am

pfft.. it would be better than SOME of the fan-fic I've read... *cringe*

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July 3, 2007 - 5:09pm

I think that Dumbledore is a desendent of Gryffindor as well as Harry. I thought this could be true for awhile now. I guess that we'll find out in Book 7.

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July 8, 2007 - 7:54am

Now that all made me think i never considered the facts but all seems correct on what you all wrote, he has to be the heir.

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July 8, 2007 - 3:18pm

well i did hear from rowling that he is not the heir when they interviewed her she said that...i dont remember where but i do remember her saying that godric and harry are not related...im thinking that the reason why voldemort was afriad of dumbledore is because HE is the heir not harry..

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July 10, 2007 - 9:55am

Yeah they're not related, I mentioned earlier in this thread that Rowling stated that Harry is not the heir of Gryffindor though I believe she also mentioned it was an imaginative theory. Happy

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September 12, 2007 - 3:38pm

Could Neville be the Heir of Gryffindor? He also pulled the Sword out of the Hat in Deathly Hallows. He also become braver in the 7th book. So...Maybe?



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