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The epilogue. . . .dream
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huntington
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| Submitted by huntington on August 11, 2007 - 2:38pm. |
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Am I the only one who believes the epilogue is just a fantacy dream sequence and not part of the book's reality?
Come on, you know it's true. The 7 book timeline published in the HP Lexicon has been agreed upon by JKR herself and that timeline puts the DH year at 1997. And if this is true, then the epilogue is suppose to take place in 2116. . .and clearly this is in the future.
And if it is in the future, it is clearly one of Harry's dream sequences.
To wit, We know that at the end of the books reality pages, Harry is planning to return to the Gryffidor tower and the security of his four poster. And it it here, I believe, where Harry's overtaxed mind dreamed the epilogue.
Let's be real, how could anyone really believe Hermione would be with Ron 19 years later? Just a laughable thought. The clearest measure of Ron in DH is that his character has not evolved since SS. He still abandons his friends at the most endangered points in the story, he still has a creepy obsession with Harry and Ginny (just what was Ron's purpose in bursting in on H/G on his birthday at the Burrow?. . . This action made the hair on my neck stand up), and ABOVE all else, it is clear JKR is tellin us that NONE of his actions toward Hermione are Real. . . why else would she include Ron and his "12 step to fooling a girl into believeing your lies" book?. . .no it is clear, Ron is nothing but a creep fraud.
Ron is not a creepy fraud because I say he is, he is a creepy fraud because his actions in 7 books confirm he is.
I say with complete certainty, that a real epilogue, written 19 years later would have Ron traveling in the footsteps of the other great coward in the series, Mundungas Fletcher. . . no more, no less. But pathetic all the same.
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I always thought Ron had to do some growing up to be able to be with Hermione... But honestly I still don't see it... Women I guess just end up with guys far beneath them, and for some reason accept their faults, and sometimes love them all the more for their perceived faults... I feel you man, but I don't think I'll ever properly understand the insanity that is the female sex.
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The female sex may be insane, but that doesn't address the FACT that JKR's own website dates Dumbledore's death as 1997. . .it this is true, and it must be because JKR says it is. . . so, if he died in 1997, Voldemort dies a year later (1998) this means the "epilogue" is suppose to occur in 2016. . . 2016 is 9 years from NOW. . .by definition, something that takes place in 2016 has to be a dream, hope or some sort of fantasy. . . it can be a lot of things, but it isn't reality. . .
It's clear, the "EPILOGUE" is not suppose to be real. . . it is clear from reading the page prior to the "epilogue" that the epilogue takes place in Harry's mind during a dream . . .no more no less
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Oh, I guess the rest of the novel is real?
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Not really. . . its clear that several instances in the seven books have only taken place in Harry's head. . . Sirius on the floor of the ministry in Phoenix and the Kings Cross chaper in DH are just two examples.
Again, JKRs website says that Dumbledor died in 1997. . . this means Harry's victory over Riddle took place the next year (1998), and if we add the 19 years on to 1998when the "epilogue" is suppose to have taken place, then we get, 2016. . .and since it is 2007 right now, How can anyone say the "epilogue" is anything but a fantasy in Harry's mind? They,you, can't.
THe epilogue is clearly nothing . . .worth even including in any canon discussion. . .and I really hope TPTB at WB won't include it in the movie.. . .
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HUNTINGTON,STOP CRUSHING MY OPINIONS PLEASE!!!
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whats up
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y you yellin
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y r u yelling
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so your no longer offilated with me thanks u saved me many headaches
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Excuse me?
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your last message to me u said u would try to stay away from by the way its doin me wonders
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Yes, I am restraining myself as best I can from arguing with you in any way. As tempting as it is, I do have a certain extent of self-control. You're trying to provoke me right now, by stupidly posting things that aren't even to do with the topic I was discussing, so do me and everyone else a favour and go talk crap somewhere else.
*leaves*
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Geez, people please follow the rules, NO CAPS and stop going off-topic.
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i was not talking crap i was trying to have a half decend conversation and i WAS going to aplogize but i changed my mind
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yah..listen to danilo!
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so sorry everyone...besides..I agree with Luna....the epilogue is a dream;Joanne is telling us what is in store for them...
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very good likeness of Luna....same House....same picture....
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oh um...Luna...every single post from me is not in caps....you will need to see farther up the line....it is one of the first posts up there..on this very forum...
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whats up people
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Well every single post up until I posted that one was what it should of said.
BBJ, 'whats up' is that were talking about the epilogue at the end of the seventh book, any thoughts to share?
Maybe I was unclear with what I said though danny, I don't think that the epilogue is a dream, a dream means something your brain makes up while you're asleep - but the epilogue was just JKR showing us what happens to the trio in the future.. it wasn;t Harry's dream.. wasn't really part of the story.. just a little insight for us.
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I don't understand why you think just because something has occured in times that we haven't yet reached, must be a dream.
J.K is just telling us what the future held for the trio.
I do however agree with you on the fact that Ron is, well basically, an idiot. I don't see how someone as intelligent as Hermione could ever fall for a git like Ron, let alone, having kids with him. I like to think that he ends up with someone gross, like Millicent Bullstrode
As for the more mundane issues in this forum, Danny, every single post i've seen from you is entirely in caps,, please dont, it comes across as rude, and its hard to read as well, maybe BBJ and you could make your own forum where you converse entirely with yourselves and noone else, it'd sure be interesting for the rest of us to lurk on and read. Maybe it'd also be a means of preventing you both from getting so off-topic on mostly everything you post on
2nd edit: thats bloody stupid, it takes my post away from when i first posted it and puts it to the bottom just when i edited something.
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what is BBJ?*grins*
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we are not insane,Danilo!*broken heart*
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We like guys with good hygiene and grooming habits....(well at least I do...)
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*frowning*
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See what I mean about the editing thing?
Our posts should stay in their position..
Lol, as for what BBJ is, guess
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i really hate the epilogue
wish its only a dream
i mean it did skip
and the 19 years that happened are still unknown
i mean hidden
and after that harry and ginny already had 3 children
whats up with that
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well i belive that it cant be a dream because the next book is supposed to be about the children. hence forth if it was a dream than there would be no childern
oh and ron is a great wizard that can somtimes make mistakes. like me. with the exeption of the wizarding part
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I think the epilogue wasn't a dream, i think it was like a kind of insight or a "vision" that harry had and give him the strenght to defeat Voldemore.
This state of the mind, insights or wherever you want to called it, doesnt have to be perfect or make sense for others, but it did for harry...thats why he had the confidence to end with Voldemore. For me, it wasnt a dream. Thanks to that vision" he saved all wizards and muggles comunities...dreams dont make such a big impact on our minds. Maybe you remember just a few things about what you dreamed but this one was a very clear one...Thats my opinion.
(People on meditacion can get this state of the mind sometimes, for others can get it just withouth trying or just randomly ex:Joan de Arc, Nostradamus, Sidartha Gautama etc...Their visions, didnt make sense for others, but it meant for them...to descifre what they saw, thats another history...I think thats why J.K could wrote that it was in 2016...or wherever, it doesnt have to make perfect sense. Thats just my opinion!
Sorry for my english, is not that great
Im glad to have found this web site!
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I loved the Epilogue, I don't care what anyone else thinks.